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The Seraph and the Soulstealer

felixandtheprophet:

"So… do we have a contract, Mister Reid?"

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"…Mm. Perhaps we do."

//SCREAMING. Also, good luck with that exam.

So, for future reference, if French is considered 'Old Noxian', what is the Demacian equivalent? Any other language parallels you can enlighten us on?
Anonymous

asktheexemplarofdemacia:

summoner-tybresa:

// Truth be told, I was not the one who officially pin-pointed French as being Noxus’ old language, but credits goes to generalswain in collaboration with matronoftheblackrose (reading their posts and RP’s, I eventually picked up their headcanon).

To be completely honest, I didn’t give this much thought, but if I were to go on a hunch … I believe that at some point in time, before the first Rune Wars, Demacia and Noxus was one super-state, else I can’t seem to explain the apparent similarities between the two (being the source of French-sounding names like DuCouteau/Leblanc for Noxus and Buvelle/Laurent + FIORA HAS A DAMN FRENCH ACCENT NEED I SAY MORE?)

To start off with a list, it would be something like:

Ancient Valorian (Encompassing the center of the continent, including Demacia+Noxus): Latin

Old Noxus: French

Old Demacian: This is … going to be difficult to pin-point accurately, but I am going with a hunch that it is one of the Romance languages (starting from Latin) and having to pick between Italian and Romanian … I feel I might go with the former. So Old Demacian is Italian, after my hunch. Don’t ask me why

Ancient Shurimani: Egyptian Hieroglyphs?

Common Shurimani: Arabic languages (I leave this to ask-sivir's expertise)

Ancient Freljordian: Ancient Nordic Language?

Common Freljordian: I’m going to randomly throw out Dutch. 

Zaun: Russian?

Piltover: I’m going to go with English as well as variations/dialects, mostly because I -don’t- think Piltover has any kind of seniority compared to the other city-states to have established its own language (how old is Piltover? I don’t think it has more than 300 years of historical existence, compared to Valoran’s 5k+ age)

Common Valorian (the international language): English

Ionia: Depending on regions, it can vary between Japanese, Chinese and Korean.

This is just my hunches and first impressions, so anyone who has more substantial analysis and explanations to offer are free to do so.

Also pinging my trusty lore nerds for help. LORE RANGERS - UNITE!

generaldarius; generalswain; ask-sivir; sheriff-caitlyn; progenitorviktor; ask-summoner-rena halp plz

I’m not one of them, but i see a few flaws on that exposition. First, languages evolve through human interaction, so i will explain this a little.

First, we’ve got so far a somewhat “Imperial” Language, spoken natively by all the population of central Valoran. Alongside this, there is a couple of tongues northwards (old freljordian or Iceborn tongue, and a norhteastern language) and another few southwards (ancient shuriman and whatever the yordles spoke at that time). Ionia has his own ancient speech too.

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Then, maybe because of the first Rune Wars, that could have been a civil war, why not, the old empire collapses and is followed by a series of rump-states, each making the language evolve on his own way. So, we get a couple of western dialects, and an eastern one. Freljordian could possibly have interacted with the north-western dialects (kalamandan) and the north-eastern languages (old piltovian), whilst at the same time the eastern dialect and the old zaunite could have interacted with each other.

In the shout a similar process could have ensued, thus making the shuriman, urtistan, and icathian variants, being possible that one of those influenced yordle-speech.

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This way, various sister tongues appeared, mutually interlegible, but drifting apart from each other because of isolation, and external influences.

In a third stage, we could have seen the dawning of the current languages, each with their own language group, common lexic constructions and words, etc etc.

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How to explain this more easily, and in a way all could understand? If we assume that the old language is latin, then we can explain why Piltovian is english. English evolved based on the celtic language spoken in the british isles, but influenced by the saxon and anglic languages (nordic in essence), and later this old anglo-saxon language was influenced by French to a great degree, thus making old english, and nowadays, English.

See what i did here? The primordial language of the northeaster region was first influenced by the freljordian (wich takes the place of the nordic influence in celtic) and later by another tongue, the old demacian and kalamandan (taking the place of French). And thus, Piltovian is born.

The cool thing about this is that, with this scheme, we can explain the relationships between the languages of the continent in a logical way.

I agree that the key to the development of languages requires the isolation. Whether this isolation is due to geographical or social influences, you are not going to see new languages arise with heavy interaction. As mentioned and diagrammed above, Valoran most likely had an ancient language which we parallel as Latin. The key to its widespread use and influence of the CLE languages is because of the power and dominance of the empire at the time. 

Though there were already smaller languages and dialects present inside the empire that would later give rise to the smaller language groups, they could not flourish because there was no need for other languages. There was no need to reinvent the wheel when there was already the primary language of the empire to use. A single, common language facilitates communication, undergoing social selection of sorts and steadily grows in users as time goes on.

When this social entity fractured and groups of people isolated themselves, new languages emerged though the dominant language still held major influence, giving rise to Valoran’s Romance languages. Old Noxian and Demacian are practically French. It makes sense for both city-states to have the same languages as they share similar origins and social and technological sophistication.

The mountain ranges made communication and trade extremely difficult before modern development, therefore we see distinct regions with distinct root languages as asktheexemplarofdemacia diagrammed above. Freljordian is most likely the Nordic and Germanic languages as stated above, and the fractured and isolated nature of the tribes makes it easy for new languages and dialects to evolve. The Northern tribes most likely interacted with proto-Piltover and gave it the early anglo-saxan influence which shaped the Romance precursor language into English. However, it was unlikely that Old Demacian was the Romantic influence on Piltover since geographic isolation and Noxus’ presence at the only, main mountain pass made access to the territory extremely difficult. 

Piltover most likely drew its influence similar to how the British Isles got their influence from the Roman empire despite being isolated, the caveat being isolation by mountains instead of water. An alternative theory is interaction with Old Noxus. If Zaun’s native language was different, it most likely drew influence from the same sources as Piltover but to a different degree similar to the nuances between Demacian and Noxian dialects at the time.

South of the Great Barrier mountains, we know canonically that there was a vast Empire as well. Whether it was the same as the one in central Valoran is up in the air, but its primary language formed the root of daughter languages in the area after its collapse. It is known that the Shurimans had powerful rune magic and vastly advanced technology for its time, evident in Zilean’s clockwork and temporal manipulation.

However, we see that these runes are not glyphs, so it can theorized that either Egyptian like hieroglyphs were not dominant at all in the region or not dominant for the entirety of history in that region. Other likely candidates are the languages of the Achaemenid Empire, first of the Persian Empires, or Mesopotamian languages. Either way, it is likely that the language’s dominance was not as complete as that in central Valoran owing to the harsh effort of communication across the desert or through social instability. This would lead to the splintering of languages across the desert. 

Bandle city was isolated for an extraordinarily long time, and its etymology is gummed up with the reveal of Gnar. What language it used is wholly dependent on their origin and how they got so far to the Mothership in the first place.

Similar to the mountainous and reclusive nature of many ancient Asian countries, it is easy to see the root language splintering into something like modern Korean, Japanese, and Chinese from a most likely ancient Chinese precursor.

As time progressed forward, what happened to these languages? It is safe to say that the brief period before global trade and communication arose was a time of the greatest lingual diversity across Valoran. As contact with other societies increased, there was more pressure to adopt a dominant language or there was more external influence upon the languages. Especially among allied states, it is common for cultural objects and expression to be adopted, playing a role in the development of languages overtime.

By the time the League was established at the end of the previous Rune War, a new dominant common tongue arose that made communication and trade easier to establish and maintain. It is apparent that a common tongue, most likely Piltovian English, is being used because champions from various cultures interact and converse with little problem. The reason why Piltovian is such a strong candidate for a common tongue because it disseminates knowledge alongside Bandle City(still a mystery) which is done most easily through use of its own language.

In the CLE, development of new languages is selected against because there really is less and less need for distinct languages after the establishment of a common tongue. This parallels English and Chinese as the largest universal languages in our world. Minority languages are pressured to conform to the majority because it allows them access to a wide variety of resources and social freedom. however, that is not to say that existing languages will suddenly disappear. As long as a robust population and—more importantly—children see value in their ancestral language, the language will not become endangered like the disappearance of many native American cultures and languages.

To reiterate, it is extremely unlikely new, robust languages will form and non-dominant languages will suffer loses and decay with each generation, especially if popular media is mainly in one language. Valoran is not like Europe in the sense that there is a plethora of diverse languages because there are so few major political bodies in Valoran. Much of the geography seems unsuitable for life let alone major cultures to flourish. The nature of Valoran is more like ancient Greek city-states, isolated yet in enough contact to have common languages.

Modern Valoran, like our world, is headed on a slow path of convergence.

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felixandtheprophet:

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a-mechanical-girl:

felixandtheprophet:

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"Mira! That isn't a polite topic of information to talk about, not in anyone's company but a lover! Especially... Not in the Steward's case."

demacianmessenger:

mirathemessenger:

"Why is not considered a polite topic to discuss? I often hear tales in gruesome of hunts and acts of violence. If those discussions can be held freely, why are sexual topics so outlandish? In my honest opinion, I would rather discuss a process that is mutually pleasurable and that can give rise to new organisms than one that ends life. However, could you help me understand why the social norms are established as such?"

summoner-tybresa demacianmessenger

"It’s- It’s just seen as such! It’s not talked about because it’s indecent. Certainly so in Demacia were you to talk about things of that nature you would get many odd looks and distasteful stares! And in Demacia, tales of violence are not told either, not in polite company, and never in formality. It’s… just something that isn’t done! Certainly those of a wealthy disposition might find the idea squeamish, and I guess that defines such a topic of conversation as taboo…"

"And I dunno. You just seem… You don’t seem to me to be the type of person to talk about it so… so unashamedly." Even in the taller girl, her cheeks burned with the way they spoke, and her eyes wandered, as if paranoid. This was not a conversation she thought she’d have with Mira…

"How concerning… Something done for its own sake without additional reasoning sounds highly hegemonic to me, illogical even. Without context for an event, how can we be sure that an action is executed properly or was necessary to begin with? If anything, I am more determined than ever to help other understand how natural the matters are! It is a very liberating experience and some discomfort is to be expected, but open discourse among close individuals should accpeted by all! If it makes you feel any more comfortable, I am more than willing to broach the topic first!" The little Messenger’s eyes glistened with interest in contrast to the older woman’s unease.

"Mira! That isn't a polite topic of information to talk about, not in anyone's company but a lover! Especially... Not in the Steward's case."

"Why is not considered a polite topic to discuss? I often hear tales in gruesome of hunts and acts of violence. If those discussions can be held freely, why are sexual topics so outlandish? In my honest opinion, I would rather discuss a process that is mutually pleasurable and that can give rise to new organisms than one that ends life. However, could you help me understand why the social norms are established as such?"

summoner-tybresa demacianmessenger

The More You Know

summoner-tybresa:

mirathemessenger:

"I never knew that Tybresa was open to discussing private topics of a sexual nature. I had always thought that she would find it too embarrassing or impolite. At the very least, I have become accustomed of hearing about these discussions only at the beginning, or end depending on the calendar, of the week. Is it the seventh day already? Either way, I am glad to hear that Tybresa enjoys sexual activity in a variety of very healthy and common preferences. Maybe she would even be willing to discuss the topic with me sometime in the future!"

summoner-tybresa

MIRA NO.”

"Why not, Tybresa? Sexual intercourse is a perfectly healthy activity that does not necessitate procreation. The act is a good form of cardiovascular exercise and engages practically every bodily system in some manner. I think it can be discussed academically or on a personal level without need for any sense of shame. Sexual exploration should be encouraged so that an individual may find their preferences or lack thereof. Please, Tybresa? It would be a rather interesting topic for discussion!"

The More You Know

"I never knew that Tybresa was open to discussing private topics of a sexual nature. I had always thought that she would find it too embarrassing or impolite. At the very least, I have become accustomed of hearing about these discussions only at the beginning, or end depending on the calendar, of the week. Is it the seventh day already? Either way, I am glad to hear that Tybresa enjoys sexual activity in a variety of very healthy and common preferences. Maybe she would even be willing to discuss the topic with me sometime in the future!"

summoner-tybresa

generaldarius:

// Oh come on. Seriously, even the VO?

Gnar has been on ice for a literal epoch what do you damn well expect from someone emerging from stasis into a time period that’s so distant in the future that everything is basically WOW WHAT IS THAT UUH CANNOT COMPUTE LITERALLY BECAUSE MY BRAIN HAS NOT EVOLVED TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO COMPREHEND THIS

You know what the perfect metaphor is for Gnar?

Encino Man.

Seriously.

Just watch Encino Man and look at Brendan Fraiser try to understand the things around him. Look at what he grabs- a banana, food he’s familiar with. He doesn’t do anything but look around, grunt and parrot behaviors.

Along that same line, Gnar is biologically unable to comprehend language as Runeterrans have it today. His brain is too damn small. Our brains grew as we became homo sapiens sapiens, this is scientific fact.

Gnar probably thinks in pictures or in associations, not in words. Whatever ‘language’ you hear in his VO is him mimicking the sounds he hears but does he understand that?

No.

//I’m sorry, but I do not think you can make your claim about language and being Homo sapiens as scientific fact. Yes, our brains changed, but we have no indication that it is tied to communicative and true cognitive ability or when it arose during that evolutionary process. Dolphins are also capable of many very “human” behaviors with differing brain anatomies.

Mimicry is the way of learning anyways and is not linked to brain size. If apes and other primates can learn “human” sign language to a degree of some competency, how can it be out of biological possibility for Gnar who is much farther along the supposed evolutionary chain to be unable to understand? Babies learn by babbling and imitation nonsense not because they are incapable, but because the proper pronunciation, motor control, and neural wiring has yet to be established. Gnar already has full motor control, but is learning what is essentially a new language, not one more complicated just more convoluted.

Even in the example you use, culture shock is slowly controlled by first interfacing with the familiar. Even in a comedy, the “primitive” shows adaption to modern complexity. No biological incapability. When summoners interface with the mind, the language is universal, supposedly as previous lore states, and should be clear as day to both parties. This is the center of the discrepancy in Gnar’s VO. If the bond is true, Gnar should be hearing the summoner in whatever language he used to communicate whereas the summoner should be hearing common tongue.

tl;dr

Gnar’s gibberish VO has nothing to do with biological ability, just weird magic and lore issues as always.

ask-sheriff-caitlyn:

(( askarinwei, kate-thesaint, mirathemessenger (Even though you’re currently in Piltover oops shh)))

"I can’t say I’ve had a chance to spend time with Miss Sarah, herself, but I imagine with our occupations as they are, it’s only a matter of time until our paths cross."